"sticky" shraeder valves at hi/lo port

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"sticky" shraeder valves at hi/lo port

Postby r-mm » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:05 pm

I replaced the valve cores in my R134a adapters using these parts https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075W ... UTF8&psc=1

I've used those same cores on other projects with success. Today I pulled the manifold quick connects off the high side with the engine off (I was reading static pressure) and heard a slow low hiss. It was not just a squirt of pressure it was a long slow hiss. I reseated the quick connect a few times, operating its handle and got the hiss to stop. Has anyone seen this? Is it likely a valve core issue? Where would you buy the best primo A++ valve cores?
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Re: "sticky" shraeder valves at hi/lo port

Postby Al9 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:29 am

About the 10 JRA High Flow cores, my experience has been that after years, the spring that helps the core reseat gets weak and the core has a harder time reseating. Lost about half the charge in about two weeks (with the port cap screwed on) and gained additional compressor wear due to such a core fault (either overlooked by a tech, or it somehow opened by itself during compressor operation especially since it was the low side; all i know is it was hissing audibly when a subsequent tech opened the cap). I still have the offending core and this one unseats itself when held with the spring pointing upwards. New ones are really tight.

I think they're all made by the same company. Maybe a defective lot.
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Re: "sticky" shraeder valves at hi/lo port

Postby r-mm » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:44 am

Thanks for responding, its good to know someone had a similar problem. It also occured to me that the low side experiences suction which acts against the valve. I realize most small parts like this are made in china these days, maybe by one company. What would "pros" use? Are there different types of seals etc?
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Re: "sticky" shraeder valves at hi/lo port

Postby JohnHere » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:29 am

A few comments: With a properly operating system, the low side shouldn't show negative pressure (In. Hg.) on the manifold gauge set unless there's a blockage of some sort or a problem with the metering device (TXV or OT). The Schrader valve on the low side should be seeing positive pressure of around 30 PSI under typical operating conditions. Also, after replacing the cores, be sure to install port caps (preferably new ones) on both the low and high sides because the caps do the final sealing.

As for the Schraders themselves, I've used valve cores from FJC, and I've never had any problems with them leaking as you described. You'll find one variant here: https://www.centurytool.net/Jra_Valve_C ... jc2674.htm
(Please note that I am not affiliated in any way with FJC or Century Tool.)


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Re: "sticky" shraeder valves at hi/lo port

Postby Al9 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:34 am

JohnHere wrote:A few comments: With a properly operating system, the low side shouldn't show negative pressure (In. Hg.) on the manifold gauge set unless there's a blockage of some sort or a problem with the metering device (TXV or OT). The Schrader valve on the low side should be seeing positive pressure of around 30 PSI under typical operating conditions.


Thanks for your comments.
I guess it's just thermal expansion and contraction doing wacky things to an imperfect seal (i.e. my faulty valve core).
May i take the opportunity to ask you a question about these JRA High Flow cores (and any core in general)? Since they come with a tiny o-ring, any benefit in oiling them (dipping them in mineral or double end capped PAG for example) right before fitting them? Thanks again.
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Re: "sticky" shraeder valves at hi/lo port

Postby JohnHere » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:00 am

I think I'm responding to r-mm and not Al9. But sure, go ahead and lubricate the entire valve core with mineral oil (compatible with R-12) or DEC PAG (compatible with R-134a) just before installation. Doing so will help the o-ring and the valve itself give the best possible seal.
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Re: "sticky" shraeder valves at hi/lo port

Postby Al9 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:34 am

Just wanted to add that while comparing a brand new JRA High Flow core with an old used one (coated in dyed PAG), i noticed that the small rubber piston that acts as the valve element shrinks over time. On a new one, it looks definitely bigger and able to create a better seal especially when reseating.

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