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pippo on Fri November 25, 2011 1:03 PM User is offline

Look at what we have to choose from- pandering politicians, flip-floppers, ones that contradict themselves, etc. Do you have a favorite and why?
I will start: so far, yes, no ones ever perfect, but Paul seems to tell it like it is- even if you dont like to hear how bitter the medicine may be to "heal".

Will I have to vote for Obama given the choice of Repubs? Geez.

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Edited: Fri November 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM by pippo

Karl Hofmann on Sat November 26, 2011 3:14 PM User is offlineView users profile

We could send you Tony Blair if you like...... You guys have to pay the freight charges though...

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TRB on Sat November 26, 2011 4:37 PM User is offlineView users profile

No thanks Karl. We already have a fool that wants to run things like the UK playing Mr. President.

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Karl Hofmann on Sat November 26, 2011 7:11 PM User is offlineView users profile

Hey! He was Mr Bush's bestest buddy so he should know how to really drop you in the manure and sell it to the public as gold...

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pippo on Sat November 26, 2011 7:17 PM User is offline

All Blair does is focus on religion. Got to have an alternative to that.

Now, whos for bringing back the man with the iron fist- Elliot Spitzer?? I do not know of a more effective person who was NOT afraid to confront the pirates on Wall St......period.

So what did they do? They railroaded him with the sleeze factor, which the media knew the public at large would savor, since the alternative to ignore it would mean them being relegated to return to their pathetically mundane daily lives......


Elliot for President! (got any better ideas?)

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Edited: Sat November 26, 2011 at 7:20 PM by pippo

pippo on Sat November 26, 2011 7:18 PM User is offline

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Hey! He was Mr Bush's bestest buddy so he should know how to really drop you in the manure and sell it to the public as gold...

Well, right, but he has to share the "best buddy" label with Berlusconi......

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TRB on Sat November 26, 2011 7:35 PM User is offlineView users profile

I have no issue with a person of faith. Labeling someone out for that simple factor is as bad as labeling someone for their race or genetic makeup.

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Karl Hofmann on Sun November 27, 2011 3:41 AM User is offlineView users profile

Ha ha ha.... Berlusconi and Blair both should have been found dangling from a street corner lamp post for what they did to their countries... Blair spends little time here anymore as he's not exactly popular. He's far to busy taking big fat cheques from his Middle Eastern buddies to worry about the economy that he decimated..

Religion and Politics should never be allowed to mix. No good has ever come of it.

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NickD on Sun November 27, 2011 6:07 AM User is offline

All I know or care to mention, we have to pay a lot of taxes for services never received. And the consequences are great if you refuse or can't afford to pay. Will kick you out of your home unto the street or slap in in prison with the IRS.

TRB on Sun November 27, 2011 10:23 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Religion and Politics should never be allowed to mix. No good has ever come of it.

Because a person has faith in their life. You want to exclude them from running for office. Absolutely ridiculous and is just another form of attack by those needing to enforce their non belief on others. I would be more concerned about one's way of governing! Then if they went to church or not. I've watched politician after politician use the office for personal gains. Sometimes even in a corrupt manner.


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MrBillPro on Sun November 27, 2011 12:57 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Religion and Politics should never be allowed to mix. No good has ever come of it.

I have yet to meet one soul on earth that did not have some kind of belief, so technically their belief could be their religion. Religion has no belief in itself, it's man made, you could be religious and believe in clockwise air. Christianity is a belief, so basically if your believe in anything, you should never be allowed to be in Politics. Most politicians have their own religion, they only believe in the "themselves religion".

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Edited: Sun November 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM by MrBillPro

Karl Hofmann on Sun November 27, 2011 3:12 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Because a person has faith in their life. You want to exclude them from running for office.



No they can run for office if they like but I don't want their unsubstantiated beliefs forced down my throat.. Of even more concern is the thought that their beliefs are reason for their actions and policies.... If O'bama appeared on TV and told the nation that God told him to take the course of action that he has been, would you be happy with his reason or would you guys lock him in a room with rubber wall paper?


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TRB on Sun November 27, 2011 3:48 PM User is offlineView users profile

If the course of action improved our country. I couldn't careless! Your response validated what I'm saying. You simply reject someone for their faith., You claim to not want it shoved in your face! Yet you're doing it in your response. As Mr Bill stated. Your belief is not to have a belief. So you're wanting everyone to conform to it. If I had made a comment that voting for a black man was wrong simply because he was black. You would be calling me a racist and so on. Judging someone because they have a belief different from yours is just as bad as singling them out because of their race.



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Karl Hofmann on Sun November 27, 2011 5:33 PM User is offlineView users profile

But if the situation in the US worsened, then would you believe?

I object to being told to believe in an entity for which there is no proof of it's existence

I invite anyone to give me one example of religion being good and useful

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TRB on Sun November 27, 2011 6:10 PM User is offlineView users profile

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But if the situation in the US worsened, then would you believe?



I object to being told to believe in an entity for which there is no proof of it's existence



I invite anyone to give me one example of religion being good and useful

You're missing the point Karl. OP made a comment to single out someone for the simple fact that they have a faith in something. I'm saying to do so is a poor policy! Just as one would single out someone for being of a different race or even a female. Karl it's not my place to convince you to have faith or not. I could show you lots of good things that are done within a church. But having a negative outlook on the church you would find a way to discredit them. That's what people do that don't want to allow others to have their faith. Little odd that you defend the Muslims so much and attack the Christens so much. There is tons of documents in museums around the world that back up a lot of what the Bible states. If your goal is to not believe then you won't.

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Karl Hofmann on Sun November 27, 2011 6:51 PM User is offlineView users profile

The reason why I stood up for the Muslims is because the guys on this site who were all batting for the Christians and the Muslims had no one to defend them against the venom that the righteous, tolerant Christians were spouting.... Personally I find the Muslims as irritating as the Jews.... Neither could lie straight in bed. Both of which believe that their own god is the true god as do the Christians and every other religion in the world...... The one and only purpose of a religion is to have power over those who need to believe in something. I believe in myself and what I know to be true by evidence.....

You need to study the candidates, their record of getting the job done, straight talking etc and go for the least bad option. Also you have to bear in mind that what you want them to do isn't always feasible


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Edited: Sun November 27, 2011 at 7:08 PM by Karl Hofmann

TRB on Sun November 27, 2011 7:05 PM User is offlineView users profile

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The reason why I stood up for the Muslims is because the guys on this site who were all batting for the Christians and the Muslims had no one to defend them against the venom that the righteous, tolerant Christians were spouting.... Personally I find the Muslims as irritating as the Jews.... Neither could lie straight in bed. Both of which believe that their own god is the true god as do the Christians and every other religion in the world...... The one and only purpose of a religion is to have power over those who need to believe in something. I believe in myself and what I know to be true by evidence.....

Good dodge Karl but it failed. There is no evidence that we were created by a big boom. If we evolved as you believe. Why no bones showing the evolution of man. There should be millions if not billions of carcass's to select from. Even Hawking's failed to explain the nothing to something dark matter theory. But you are trying to take this discussion down a different path. I simply stated it was wrong IMO to judge a person because they have a faith in something. Thinking that simply do to their faith they would be wrong for public office.



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NickD on Mon November 28, 2011 5:27 AM User is offline

When you go to church and told if you don't vote for this guy that claims he is against abortion, you will be condemning yourself to an eternal hell, even though this guy hasn't done a damn thing in the last 40 years to make abortions illegal. In events like this, religion does play a very important role on who is elected, and certain political parties really take advantage of this fact.

TRB on Mon November 28, 2011 8:44 AM User is offlineView users profile

I've never been told to vote for a candidate in Church!!! You see more people pushing a agenda on the nightly news then you would ever in a Church. People like to pick these little themes that are pushed by others and run with them. It's a good sound bite but is it true.

Nick, so you condone abortion of a human? That's something I struggle with as I do believe life begins at conception. Only in rare cases do I believe another life should be taken by the hands of man.

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MrBillPro on Mon November 28, 2011 10:28 AM User is offlineView users profile

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When you go to church and told if you don't vote for this guy that claims he is against abortion, you will be condemning yourself to an eternal hell, even though this guy hasn't done a damn thing in the last 40 years to make abortions illegal. In events like this, religion does play a very important role on who is elected, and certain political parties really take advantage of this fact.

Nick, if you go to Church and and let anyone effect who you vote for, your going for the wrong reasons. You normally go to Church to listen to the minister preach the word of God, the word of God, no matter if it comes out of someones mouth, or you read it out of the Bible, it becomes a spiritual thing, that is why its called the living Word. It's Gods spirit ministering to your spirit, through the Pastor. If the Pastor is ministering to you anything that is not of the Word of God, you need to find you another Church, or if your pastor is ministering to you how to vote, you have found a cult, not a true God fearing Word of God Church. Nick, a "real" Church is the people not the building, the Pastor is the shepherd, the shepherd is supposed to minister according to the scripture, if some scripture convicts you on the abortion issues, and you feel a candidate that is Pro abortion don't line up with the Word, then don't vote for him/her. We need to learn that we are here to listen to God, even though He has chosen to use human instruments to communicate with us, our "free will" gives us the right to vote for who we wish, I personally try to line myself up with what the Word of God says about "any" decisions I make in my life, as every "Christian" should.

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Edited: Mon November 28, 2011 at 10:31 AM by MrBillPro

HECAT on Mon November 28, 2011 11:50 AM User is offline

I am undecided at this time, but put me down for one vote against the Pagan Socialists.

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Karl Hofmann on Mon November 28, 2011 3:28 PM User is offlineView users profile

Tim , I think that it states somewhere in your bible that you must not kill.... It is a commandment, so how can there be any circumstances where killing is acceptable?

Not going to get into the abortion row but all of my friends and family know that if something should happen that would cause me to be in a vegetative state then I should be allowed or promoted to die.... Any useful parts should be used to help others.... You may think that it is a sin but I see it as practical and useful, I would not be a drain on the NHS and my spare parts will help others .

Richard Dawkins

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Edited: Mon November 28, 2011 at 3:45 PM by Karl Hofmann

TRB on Mon November 28, 2011 3:47 PM User is offlineView users profile

Karl, I'm sure you can find a passage to fit any thought you might have. Bible also states one is allowed to defend them self for their enemies. I have no issue with organ donation. Matter of fact I most likely will need a kidney in the next few years. I hope one is available for me when the time comes.

Hey buddy I know you like to bring up that Christians have killed others for their religion. Here is an interesting link for you.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html

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NickD on Tue November 29, 2011 8:09 AM User is offline

Whether I believe in abortion or not is not the issue, my major point is the hypocrisy of politicians that claim to be against abortion but don't do a damn thing about it while in office.

On a personal note, I do not believe in abortions and neither do my eight kids with a dozen grandkids. And unlike some of my service buddies, know exactly where my kids are at, raised them and got most of them through college. Last one should graduate next May. This last one is a bank buster, with all those tax dollars going to this worthless middle east adventure not even declared by congress that is according to our constitution by the way. No more student grants, hell most of my kids paid all that back in the first year with state and federal income taxes and the rest of those years have been pure gravy for the government.

This last one is costing us $12,000.00 per year and we can only deduct $4,000.00 of that from these crooked basterds we have now running this country, screwing us royally. And these same basterds determine which countries we can or cannot do business with, exporting all of our jobs. These are the true traitors to MY country, fuck these dirty rotten crooked basterds.

Because I came from a dirt poor family was giving a choice, to either say an oath to die for my country or go to jail. Unlike the last three presidents that came from wealth and were learning how to effectively lie and cheat at Harvard. Calling the house of representatives is a bad joke when every party member votes how their party tells them to vote. Am neither a democrat nor a republican, both are liars and most are sex perverts.

In science, can't help believe their is a creator, and that is the person I love to talk to, the rest is all man made as far as I am concerned and equally corrupt. Question why the majority of Americans let this happen to OUR country. Least back then we did have an opportunity, with 1,525 newly created governmental agencies, can't even start a business anymore, and goodbye to anti-trust laws. Medical preconditions darn near bankrupted me, but somehow recovered from that, but sure don't have any retirement, so still have to work to mainly pay my property taxes for services I sure in the hell am not receiving.

And screw you basterds, that FICA tax I have been paying and still paying for 56 years that I also had to pay income tax on those FICA taxes, and pay income taxes on my miserable low SS check is MY money, and its not yours. Just give me 1.6 million dollars which what I would have if in an IRA, and we will call it even.

pippo on Sun December 04, 2011 9:43 AM User is offline

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I have no issue with a person of faith. Labeling someone out for that simple factor is as bad as labeling someone for their race or genetic makeup.

I didnt label Blair- he manages to do that very well all by himself. And its obvious.

Yes, I agree not to hold ones religion against him. Its when a political figure head uses religion as an answer to unrelated/irrelevant issues as an answer to todays monumental challenges. Its stupid, its irrelevant, it just creates inflammatory responses that spiral into an abyss. Separation of Church and State.

If you saw me walking down the street, you wouldnt be able to tell what religion I worship. Its private, stays within my own family circles, and I dont nee to feel to impose my opinon on my religion in public. I dont see why some religions have developed these dumb attire- miniature "hats" that they wear on their head that doesnt even protect from the rain/sun, or types of scarfs/bedsheet bundles, whatever- I dont need for them to impose on me theyre expression of their religion- KEEP IT TO YOURSELVES! And, we dont need it i n politics.

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