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Why does the war costs so much?

NickD on Thu February 08, 2007 8:43 AM User is offline

Country of Origin: United States

Economics, especially from the top in government or the corporate world never made sense to me, since I like being at the problem, tend to look up instead of down.

In the military, would get paid the same if on a training mission or the real one, use lots of gas, ammunition, wear out stuff that had to be replaced, big difference, normally wouldn't get killed. But getting killed was a cost savings to the government as the one time lump sum payment to your beneficiaries was far less than say VA benefits. So in time of war with so many of us getting killed, the government would be saving money rather than spending it.

With our weapons of mass destruction, nothing saved there either, matter of fact would be much cheaper to blow them up someplace, they would soon become obsolete and would have to be carefully taken apart costing much more than just blowing them up. The upgrading is constant.

No question that being a world leader in the military is costing us a huge fortune in both man power and the latest in weaponry. But why the huge cost when going to war? Just seems like going to war is the cheaper way out. I am really missing the boat on this subject.

Now when little farts like Ross Paroit become billionaires like during the VN era, that could account for why wars are so expensive, so where are these trillions to in Iraq? Not the military, we actually save money when our boys get killed.

Corporations don't make sense either when the stockholder bill is much greater than the labor bill, the guys doing the hard work are the ones getting screwed. Seems to me, we would be better off going to a loan shark to get operating funds than depending on the stockholders.

Insurance is another ripoff, even with my major accident would have been much further ahead to put my yearly premiums in the bank compared to what little I got, but the attorneys and experts sure cleaned up, what a screwed up society we live in.

Russell on Sat February 10, 2007 2:09 PM User is offlineView users profile

...............at least you're not losing sleep worrying about global warming.

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mhamilton on Sat February 10, 2007 9:31 PM User is offlineView users profile

That's something I won't loose sleep over either.

Last year there was not enough climate data to know if the warming was manmade, a normally occurring earth cycle, or just a slight variation in data. As of last week, it's a manmade problem that we now have to "cure."

Being that real climate data has only been recorded for the last 110 years or so, I'm not going to be frequenting Al Gore's web site any time soon!

CorvairGeek on Sat February 10, 2007 9:51 PM User is offline

Considering the actual methodologies of how temperatures have been measured during our brief collection of data, it just amazes me how this kind of thing is so easy to sell. I well remember how we were going into another ice age during the late seventies.

Jerry

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NickD on Sun February 11, 2007 7:53 AM User is offline

We have had global warming where I live in WI ever since the last ice age. Geologists are speculating due to the huge depth of our granite layer that WI had mountains much taller than the Rockies, kind of flattened out now leaving moraines and formed the Great Lakes due to the huge glacier that came down like a monstrous bulldozer.

Yeah, I worry about global warming, more precisely the lack of it as if a glacier can form once it can form again,a good trigger would be if that huge volcano in Yellowstone blows it's cork that is due. Feel that another such glacier would really mess up my yard. The so called experts are kicking around theories as to why the last glacier receded, but I am sure it was man made, what else can it be?

MrBillPro on Sun February 11, 2007 12:43 PM User is offlineView users profile

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We have had global warming where I live in WI ever since the last ice age.


Dang Nick your must be older than dirt.

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NickD on Mon February 12, 2007 7:36 AM User is offline

Evidence, Mr. Bill, didn't say that I witnessed it. Even in my yard had a rock sticking out about six inches that I kept on hitting with my mower, decided to move it. Kept on digging around it and the more I dug the bigger this rock was, finally called my neighbor with a dozer and that rock was five feet in diameter. How did it get there? It sure didn't grow from a pebble and the substance of that rock wasn't anything like the local terrain.

This generated a bit of interest, and have to trust the geologists on this, about 16,000 BC they say a Laurentide glacier came through and was about two miles high stayed for about 8,000 years and receded in about 10,000 BC and is the reason why we find such rocks that were carried and left with this glacier. Also around the world, civilizations have been found 100-300 feet under water. Seems like logic would dictate that if a 2 mile high glacier was formed consuming much of the sea water that it was darn cold here and since it hasn't repeated itself that the earth is warming.

Our governor to stay in tune wants to form a global warming task force, one of our more brilliant state senators said, with four weeks of solid below zero weather outside, would not be easy to sell. The forecast for the next ten days shows more subzero weather, one of the longest cold streaks in history happening right now. Seems like either God or mother nature is making a mockery out of our leaders.

Now getting rid of carbon based fuels that causes major health problems and foreign energy dependence makes sense, but using global warming for the reason is a bit idioic, but what can you expect when we have idiots running our country?

MrBillPro on Mon February 12, 2007 10:51 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Evidence, Mr. Bill, didn't say that I witnessed it.

Wow! thanks for clearing that up.

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NickD on Mon February 12, 2007 12:45 PM User is offline

Well I feel 10,000 years old this morning, did turn 68 last week, ha, never thought I would see that number. Started putting in 480 square feet of laminated flooring in my kitchen last Saturday and my knees and arms are paying the price. The real killer for me is trying to undercut the door frames, weird angles and using a hand saw through rock hard oak. Have five doors to do, don't want to pull them down as would wreck them and only undercut one side so far leaving nine to go. Besides, two of the doors are exterior and would kind of run up my fuel bill in subzero weather.

Checked all over town and on the net for some kind of an electric undercut saw, can only find hand saws. Poked around my lumber store this morning and found a 4 1/2" grinder with cut off blades for 18 bucks, the blade is about 1/8" too high so plan on cutting the arbor down that much to help with this chore. Don't mind starting the cut with the hand saw, but 3/4" of oak six inches wide is a bit too much.

Seems like someone should make an electric undercutter, ha, Bohica will probably lists some sites.

Other problem is parts of the oak baseboard was glued in place using construction glue, found a small hand trowel and ground a 60* bevel on the edge so could carefully cut through that glue. Thought about just burning the house down and starting from scratch, would be much easier.

So much for global warming and for the huge expense of this war that I do not feel our boys are getting. Wife and I made a couple of bucks over the IRS arbitrary line and have to send in a huge check to make up the difference, my full SS checks that were all paid before taxes are fully taxable. We can only deduct greater than 7.5% our gross income of our high medical bills last year that doesn't leave much, and cannot deduct our transportation expenses to and from work and school. Even though the only reason why we go to work is to make an income and the law says, have to go to school with no other forms of transportation available. But we like the most of you are in the get really screwed bad middle class. But we remain in the silent majority, so let's just bend over and enjoy it.

Russell on Mon February 26, 2007 10:52 AM User is offlineView users profile

Nick...........I can't believe you don't have a router to do this.

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Edited: Mon February 26, 2007 at 10:53 AM by Russell

HECAT on Mon February 26, 2007 11:52 AM User is offline

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Seems like someone should make an electric undercutter, ha, Bohica will probably lists some sites.




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NickD on Mon February 26, 2007 1:31 PM User is offline

I finally found some on the web in the 200-400 buck price range, a bit steep for cutting six door jams. The Menards brand Tool Shop is working great, but did find a 4 1/2" wood cutting blade that doesn't have quite the house is burning down odor as the steel cutting blade I first used. Slapped some 5/8" washers on under it, put the whole thing in my vise and squeezed it down to a perfect 5/16" cutting height I wanted. Has a compressible guard whether it knows it's compressible or not, I didn't ask.

To keep my wife happy, do this while she is at work, open an exterior door, kill the furnace blower fan, vacuum up my mess and can do a door jam with molding in about ten seconds, nice clean level cut resting this right angle grinder on the guard. Three doors done already.

Laying a laminated floor is not as easy as the DIY instructions and the instructions that came with it say with a long snap in edge that has to be about a 30* angle with tongue and grooves on both sides. One trick I learned from a pro was to cut off a part of that snap in groove so you can put in a panel straight down with glue in the bead. Stuff is also miserable on my carbide blade, but my wife loves what is done so far, and that is all that is important. About 70% done now. More fun working on a motorhome.

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