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gregg on Sat November 19, 2005 10:59 AM User is offline

A couple Bush campaign promises....

The US will be noninterventionist -would hesitate to become involved in Bosnia-Somalia..
we will be "humble abroad" and not engage in 'Nation building". In early 2001 at National Security Council meetings plans were already discussed about invading and occupying Iraq with disposition of oil fields, war crime tribunals and peacekeeping forces looked at and planned.

Faith base initiatives.. John Di Iuilo, Jr. Univ of Pennsylvania professor who ran Bush's Faith based initiative. HE resigned after 8 months after it had been revised from Bush's campaign rhetoric about "compassionate conservatism" into a political and financial prop for those evangelists who were in "the base". His quote ..."thre is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus. What you've got is everything- and I mean everything being run by a policical arm. Its the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis'."

Israel/Palestine... Clinton almost brokered a deal with Barak and Arafat in virtually all PLO demands were met including separate state and $32 bil in aid in 2000. On jan 30,2001 Bush threw away many years of hard work and diplomacy for peace in the middle east during his 2nd NSC meeting in which he said..."we're going to correct the imbalance and previous administration on the mideast conflict. We're going to be consistant. If the 2 sides don't want peace there is no way we can force them. I think it time to pull out of that situation over there."
Now we have Condoleeza Rice over there trying to repair the damage and has helped broker a deal insuring access of Palestinians to move goods and aid in their economic development to Israel and other surrounding countries.
According to eye witnesses Colin Powell was startled at Bush's statements. He said Israel would unleash its army on the Palestinians....Bush replied , "maybe thats the best way to get things back in balance, sometimes a show of strength by one side can really clarify things."


So he can't figure out why his approval ratings are so low...sounds like he doesn't get alot of things to me!!!!!

TRB on Sat November 19, 2005 11:29 AM User is offlineView users profile

There are many things I don't agree with the President no! But for fun lets show a little factual information.

GWB has a higher low rating then many previous Presidents including Clinton.

Just a couple links which show some results. Doubt you will find them over at MOVEBACKWARD.org



Former Presidental ratings.

Just one site with GWB's recent ratings.

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meaux on Sat November 19, 2005 12:44 PM User is offlineView users profile

gregg says, "Clinton almost brokered a deal with Barak and Arafat in virtually all PLO demands were met including separate state and $32 bil in aid in 2000."

LMAO! Yes, Clinton would have given Arafat the store, to make himself "look good", but he didn't expect or realilize Arafat didn't want "peace" (he never has) he was "suckered" by Arafat, and he rejected everything Barak and Clinton were willing to give...and the killing went on...and on...Remember, Arafat wanted Isreal pushed into the sea...Nothing less than death to Isreal.

gregg says, "On jan 30,2001 Bush threw away many years of hard work and diplomacy for peace in the middle east during his 2nd NSC meeting"... blah, blah, blah.

Lotta good "many years of hard work" (nothing but BS and money) did. Arafat had stolen lots of the USA's money (intended for his people) in French Banks...Bush had nothing to do with it....

The Clintons never met a dictator they didn't like...Remember how tickeled they were with Castro? Do armed soldiers at night to capture an 11yr. old boy in the USA, and ship him back to Fidel ring any bells? Oh, I guess Clinton was protecting the borders...Gotta look out for those dangerous 11yr. olds...LMAO!!!

I reckon Clinton was too busy with his self proclaimed "obsession" with Bin Laden... :-) Then, Sept. 11, changed everything...Thanks Bill.


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Russell on Sat November 19, 2005 2:45 PM User is offlineView users profile

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GWB has a higher low rating then many previous Presidents including Clinton.


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Russell on Sat November 19, 2005 2:52 PM User is offlineView users profile

I just took several of your polls. Guess what? Bush and his buddies are behind in all of them. This is the best you can do to show your support for your pres? It seems that the country is waking up and realizing how they have been misled and lied to to justify his war.

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TRB on Sat November 19, 2005 2:52 PM User is offlineView users profile

That is true, but he also has a chance to increase his ratings. So I guess one may look at it as the glass is half full. Another may look at it as the glass is half empty!

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TRB on Sat November 19, 2005 3:01 PM User is offlineView users profile

GWB today 43 percent approval. Not sure how you add but here are the low approval ratings from some past Presidents.



Johnson 35
Clinton 37
Reagan 35
Nixon 24
Ford 37
Carter 28


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Chick on Sat November 19, 2005 3:04 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Originally posted by: TRB
That is true, but he also has a chance to increase his ratings. So I guess one may look at it as the glass is half full. Another may look at it as the glass is half empty!

Hey, who's been drinking out of my glass???

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TRB on Sat November 19, 2005 3:08 PM User is offlineView users profile

Not me! Rum and coke is to tough for me these days!

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Russell on Sun November 20, 2005 9:43 AM User is offlineView users profile

Bush approval percentage....................................36, and falling

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TRB on Sun November 20, 2005 10:09 AM User is offlineView users profile

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Bush approval percentage....................................36, and falling


Russell you must have went and watched "Chicken Little"! Don't believe the stuff you read on movebackward.org. Those are the people that fabricate stories to fit their every need.


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gregg on Sun November 20, 2005 11:09 AM User is offline

Nowhere in my statements did I say that GWB had the lowest rating of presidents.....how can that be read into it. I said ...so he cant figure out why his approval ratings are so low....I am well aware that there are others that were lower......funny thing how bad wars, secrecy (according to John Dean and others,the most secretive white house since post Watergate NIxon), bad economic policy (huge deficits and cuts in programs for the poor, tax cuts for the rich), and basically losing Americans trust by constant litany of broken promises does to the polls.

Nothing like intelligent statements like blah blah blah.....Then why is it that Condy Rice was over in the middle east last week helping hammer out an agreement which is the 1st meaningful step forward in this administration...I guess Colin Powell is a dummy to. Good thing for GWB that he is as loyal as he is....would like to be a fly on the wall to find out his true feelings for the stupidity of many of GWB's (read Cheny's) policies...both domestic and international.

So show me Arafat's bank accounts...At the same time show me Haliburtons!
By the way Clinton came closer to getting Bin Laden than anytime since.

While we're at it tell me why the locals who are in New Orleans can't get jobs in the rebuilding of their city because they're union. The feds suspended 2 laws that would have protected workers.
Can't remember the name of the law but in effect it suspended paying the going rate for rebuilding efforts. Ie an electrician usually making $28 an hour now has to compete with workers willing to work for $14 an hour. Many of which are illegal immigrants...due to the 45 day suspension of companies involved in rebuilding ( with government contracts) having do document their workers. So the local workers that want jobs to put their homes and lives back together can't find work! Who is making out on this deal?

Yea Cuba....its not about Casto...its about the people that are suffering under his failed policies that we have exacerbated with ours. Keeping the poor poor ....more "compassionate conservatism". What a lovely ring that had to the voters!

I guess the one's who are happiest now are the Liberals....they realize that the backlash will probably be harsh at the voting booths. The far right conservatives are letting GWB do the job that the liberal left couldn't do for themselves, getting their candidates into office. I'm not saying that is even a good thing as the far left and far rights idealogies are not where this country needs to go from here. Sounds like GWB is starting to lose the middle of the road republicans.
I'm just glad to see about 62% of Americans have finally figures out what a dramatic failure this administration has been. feels much better finally being in the majority....LMAO!





TRB on Sun November 20, 2005 11:55 AM User is offlineView users profile

"By the way Clinton came closer to getting Bin Laden than anytime since".


You had him and let him go. Not a thing I personally would be pushing as a positive point. Remember that was the person which claims responsibility for murdering over 3000 people on 9-11-01 alone!

Russell brought up the ratings issue by the way.

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meaux on Sun November 20, 2005 12:19 PM User is offlineView users profile

gregg says, "So show me Arafat's bank accounts...

Jeeze, it would be easier for me to show you your bank account... :-)

To make a long story short, this is a well known fact:

From, Issam Abu Issa, former chairman of the Palestine International Bank, currently resides in Qatar. He is founder of the Palestinian National Coalition for Democracy and Independence, a Palestinian democratic reform movement.

"Arafat Robs the Palestine International Bank"
"On November 28, 1999, I became a victim of Arafat's abuse of power and flagrant disregard for the law. That's when, in direct breach of the law, Arafat issued a decree dissolving the Palestine International Bank's board of directors. The state-controlled Palestine Monetary Authority took over the bank, and with Arafat's blessing and written approval,[19] formed a new supervisory board of directors, including at least one convicted and Interpol-wanted felon. The unlawful takeover was a confiscation of my own, my shareholders', and my clients' private assets for Arafat's personal use. At the date of seizure, PIB total assets amounted to $105 million. Since the takeover, they have neither called for a shareholders' meeting nor disclosed the bank's balance sheet."

And from the BBC,

"Officials have confirmed reports of an inquiry into the financial transactions of Paris-based Suha Arafat."
"They acted after the Bank of France alerted them to transfers of nine million euros ($11.5m) from Switzerland to two of Mrs Arafat's accounts."

On to Bubba and Bin Laden,

gregg says, "By the way Clinton came closer to getting Bin Laden than anytime since."

You're right gregg, and "by the way", he turned him down more than once...Perhaps Sandy was stuffin those papers down his pants...Illegal to steal Classified documents...but, he's a Democrat. Yes gregg, he had him in his lap, all he had to do was sign a paper.......

By MANSOOR IJAZ
"President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year."

"I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities."

"From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas."

"Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center."

"The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening."

"As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster."

"Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996."

"The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates."

"But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them."

"In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere."

"Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of carrying out the embassy attacks."

"The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen."

"Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese."

"But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI."

"Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not. Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national security threat."

"And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S. counter-terrorism officials."

"The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best."

"Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history."


I'll say it again, Thanks Bubba!

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gregg on Sun November 20, 2005 12:42 PM User is offline

TRB...I've read that twice base on what was considered pretty solid intelligence...I guess as good as it gets over in Afghanistan...Clinton had a shot at bin ladin......but once it was at a camp with women and children present and another time there was a mosque in the center of town that
the military couldnt guarantee wouldnt be destroyed. So the plans were nixed....by Clinton and/or his advisors. Mistake ...obviously.

But what was done from jan 2001 til sep 11? Doesnt sound like much due to GWB preoccupation with Iraq. Then to claim a connection with 9/11 for a reason for Iraq war....it wasnt there then and isnt now. So those that have said GWB was also asleep at the switch... Paul Oneill, Richard Clark etc are villified by the white house. Guys that had worked with several administrations but never saw anything near the preordained decisions by a president that surrounds himself with only those that agree with him!

ON the issue of WMD's ....we knew Saddam had since 1992 ...he used biologicals on the Kurds.
so why was he going to use them in 2002 or since on any other country...or use them on us?
Sounds like even alot of moderate republicans wanting more info on all this....but the secrecy from the white house continues. Its a fact that this adiminstration had classified more material than any in the past by far. WE just deserve the damn truth of why our boys are dying in Iraq and why our boys and those from many other countries for that matter are dying in Afghanistan from an enemy that was supposed to be defeated 3 years ago?

I'm just glad the times when what ever the adminstration said...because they kept saying it ad- nauseum ...was being believed by most Americans and congress is over and now its time to pay the piper for all the BS.

gregg on Sun November 20, 2005 1:14 PM User is offline

meax...Clinton wasnt the only one who played politics for fear of offending the Saudis. Why was one of the 1st private aircraft allowed to fly in and out of the US after it was discovered that most of the hijackers were Saudi's... were full of Saudis and owned by the Saudis?

I'll agree Clinton should have taken care of bin laden when he had the chance...my point is that
GWB's administration had chances also but dropped the ball from jan 2001 til 911.

So Afafat was a crook what the heck else is new...blah blah blah .so was Marcos,the Shah and the list goes on and on but that never stopped us before.

I find it hard to bash Clinton and praise Bush while bin laden and al queda is alive and kicking...don't make no sense to me.

By all accounts Clinton made his share of money on the shady side while gov of Ark...but so did Bush in TX. Just start looking into his dealings with his failed oil companies (some Saudi money?) and the Texas Ranger baseball team. His bank accounts swelled just a bit also....for basically failures. The figure ive read is a 2400% return on his investment in the Rangers.

Did Clinton and his decisions do what was needed to prevent 9/11 no .....did Bush's decisions prevent it....no Has al queda and "insurgency" rises or fallen since our Iraq invasion?






TRB on Sun November 20, 2005 1:34 PM User is offlineView users profile

Was it not Richard Clark that arranged the first flight out of the US for the Saudi's?

Gregg I fully agree we have had sad political leaders in office for years! Seems they "all" have more personal interests at heart then the people they work for. I do feel we have to do something about these terrorist acts! Clinton did nothing to prevent them and George should of had a better plan! But at least George is trying to do something which is better then sticking your head in a hole with your ass in the air! My main gripe is not a different opinion but people that just read crap from Moveon and take it as gospel! The Bush lied and people died slogan is such hogwash its not even funny. These same claims the President went to war on were stated by all the leading Liberals well before GWB acted. But its very convenient for the Liberals to forget those statements just as Kerry flip flopped at every corner. Sad thing is I don't see a government for the people ever being in place in my life time!

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meaux on Sun November 20, 2005 2:09 PM User is offlineView users profile

gregg asks, "Has al queda and "insurgency" rises or fallen since our Iraq invasion?"

It has clearly fallen. Thats pretty obvious isn't it? No matter how many ways the anti-Bush, anti-War, and anti-USA folks want to spin it, al-Queda dosen't have the organisation it once had, and they're losing. Why haven't we been attacked here since 9/11/2001. To suggest Bush brought Terrorism to Iraq, is just plain stupid. Where did they run after Afganistan? You know damn well where.

Also, they are Terrorists, not "insurgents". Insurgents fight for the intrest and good of their own Country, these are Imported Terrorists wanting to take over a Country that dosen't belong to them...Why else would they kill Iraqis? They blow up little Iraqi children, and not by mistake either. If we surrender, as some Liberals want, in short time there won't be a safe place on the planet. Like it or not, Bush and others are doing the right thing for the civilized world...

I reckon if Dubya was replaced by Hitlary tommorow, and she pushed for the same things, you'd be singing a different tune...Try and win elections...with only hate for one man. Didn't work out too good last time did it?




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gregg on Mon November 21, 2005 9:21 AM User is offline

I am not a Hillary fan either. And I dont like the word insurgents either....thats just a media buzzword they are in fact terroists.....I am also not for pulling out of Iraq until the job is done.

We are over there unfortunately but guess GWB is now going to have to come up with some valid reasons to congress. Its not just the liberals making noise now ...like I said middle of the road conservative republicans want to know also.

I do agree with TRB....I too would like to see a responsible government for the people....I am hoping to see it in my lifetime.....but I doubt it.

The major problem I see is who the hell do u vote for for president? All Ive seen is a vote for the lessor fo 2 evils. The political spin experts and sound bite pros are the ones that get candidates elected...that and a whole lot o money!!! .how much do we really get to know a candidate during the election? Other than what they want us to know.
I am ashamed to say that i voted for GWB the 1st time around. I based my decision on alot of reading and thought. I voted for him because I thought he was more truthful open person than Gore. Maybe we should have been looking closer at the Vice presidential candidate in this case as
it seems he is mostly running the show.

Then in the readings there is so much BS out there who do u believe? Can u trust the NY Times anymore than the Washington Post with all the problems with the press? And no I don't trust alot of stuff coming out of moveon lets alone agree with it. I am always skeptical of anyone with an agenda who are just as good at the spin and buzzwords.

The thing that irks me most about the last pres campaign was the swift boat thing. Here was a candidate that was never in combat (let alone being able to pass a urine test) slandering a guy who fought for his country....then was smart enuf to see the futility of the conflict...and was American enuf to speak out against it.

Oh well....guess i'm pretty much PO'd about it all. Just doesnt seem anyway to fix it....guess thats what I like about working on cars......can fix those (most of the time ha)

The result has been a president that has done such a poor job or the perception that he has done a poor job and the country flops back and forth from rep to dem. Where Ross Perot when u need him? Lol !!

meaux on Mon November 21, 2005 12:08 PM User is offlineView users profile

You're right about voting, I voted against AlGore, and sKerry. I don't think we have much choice at all. I do believe Dubya does have alot more class, and integrity, plus he was easy to understand...He seemed "real" and as honest as a politician could be. He has "core beliefs", and, most importantly a "soul".

I also noticed he (Dubya) didn't once call sKerry a "liar", or an "Idiot" as sKerry, Kennedy, and a whole host of childish name callin classless Democrats did..."Hitler, Nazi, Stupid,", and so on...

The reason we don't have a choice, is because the Democrats have slipped off the left egde of "Mainstream America", and have taken away any choice to a "common sense" thinking person...The majority of Americans are not lawyers, and don't understand answers like, "I voted for the war, before I voted against it". Whatever....? Yep, thats the kind of President we need, one that can't make up his mind..."When I vote to give the President the power to go to war, it's because I believe the threat is real", John F. Kerry.

gregg says, "The thing that irks me most about the last pres campaign was the swift boat thing. Here was a candidate that was never in combat (let alone being able to pass a urine test) slandering a guy who fought for his country....then was smart enuf to see the futility of the conflict...and was American enuf to speak out against it.

So, I reckon the Swift Boat Veterans were just lying? Were they not just excerising their freedom of speech? Funny, alot of what they said was a matter "record". When did Dubya "slander" John Kerry? I remember him praising Kerry's service...Not a harsh word from Dubya at all...If liberals would quit making things up, they may win an election...everybody knows they are lying...I'm still waiting for the deliberate lies Dubya told...not one single quote from any Liberal, just that, "Bush Lied".

So, your line of thinking is: Kerry served almost 5mos. in Vietnam, requested early discharge so he can run for Congress in Mass., Dubya didn't go to Vietnam, so Kerry "deserves" to be President? Hell, McCain must feel like crap!

How bout Dan Blather and the Liberal CBS crew lying to the American people and trying to sway a Presidential Election? Ya think thats fair gregg? Thought the Libs didn't like liars? I guess it depends on who's liar belongs to who. They were caught one hour after they released a "Fake Document".

Democrats want to win elections? Get behind the President, act like Americans, talk about winning this war, put forth some ideas on domestic issues, cut the name callin...denounce movebackward.org, the Michael Moore types, Move to the "CENTER", then they may have a chance, hell, they have CBS, NBS, ABC, most newspapers on their side. How the heck did a dastardly Republician win anyway?
It's a pity that Democrats like Joe Liberman don't have a voice or any backing within the Democratic Party...All they talk about is how they Hate Bush...sorry strategy if you ask me.




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Russell on Tue November 22, 2005 4:19 PM User is offlineView users profile

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Russell you must have went and watched "Chicken Little"!

No, I don't get out much these days. I did watch Michael Moore"s movie however. Even if you are the most ardent Bush supporter you owe it to yourself to watch the thing. Some very interesting points concerning the Bush family's financial ties with the House of Saud.

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meaux on Tue November 22, 2005 4:39 PM User is offlineView users profile

Don't get me started on that liar Moore...Why would anybody want to feather the bed of a proven liar...If I want to watch BS, I'll turn on network TV.

Moore has no credibility, so any points he may make mean nothing, and a long way from "interesting".

I wouldn't consider myself an "ardent Bush supporter", I just believe he's right on some things...wrong on others, but mostly because he is the President and is privy to more info than I am....

Yes I know the Stock Market is in shambles, Unemployment is at an all time high, Gasoline is skyrocketing, people are starving in the streets, nobody has HealthCare, it's those dang "tax cuts for the rich" that caused all these problems. The country is in a dang mess!!!

I guess I should feel OK, now that I know I'm "rich".... :-)

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Edited: Tue November 22, 2005 at 4:47 PM by meaux

Russell on Tue November 22, 2005 4:42 PM User is offlineView users profile

But did you actually watch the movie?

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TRB on Tue November 22, 2005 4:44 PM User is offlineView users profile

Michael Moore, thats the guy that owned Halliburton stock right? I watched that movie only so if someone asked I could make a comment by actually seeing the thing. Don't think anyone has ever said the Bush family did not make most of their money in the oil business. There were a lot of half truths in that flick just like the point the President helped get Bin Ladin's family on the first flight out after 9-11, that was Richard Clark!


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meaux on Tue November 22, 2005 4:52 PM User is offlineView users profile

Mikey has PLENTY of Oil Stock also...Hasn't hired a Minority, does business in Canada to avoid US taxes, Registered in 2 States to vote...He's a true slimeball...

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