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92 cherokee conversion - can this be right?

jeepsteve92xj on Fri August 08, 2003 7:09 PM User is offlineView users profile

Year: 1992
Make: Jeep
Model: Cherokee
Engine Size: 4.0
Refrigerant Type: r-12
Ambient Temp: all
Pressure Low: 0
Pressure High: 0

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I bought the new Parallel Flow condenser, expansion block, drier, nylog oil and o-rings - all from ACKITS.com. All will be installed tomorrow, along with cleaning all the remaining lines and parts.

I still need new hoses to connect to the new condenser!

I stopped by a shop today that makes custom hoses. Guess what the quote for two simple hoses was??? Simple in my opinion. Nothing is buried, nothing would have to be removed to install the new hoses (maybe the battery, but not absolutely necessary!).

This can not be right!

roughly - TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR EACH CUSTOM HOSE??????

$75 per hour labor, $30 for one part, $7 for each weld, $5 or more for each fitting, $10 for a splice. More for metric of course - I think my 92 Jeep is all SAE.

AND another $150 to evacuate and fill the system with 134. total $550 or more.

What is a reasonable price for a new custom hose?

Does anyone have a line on a reasonable AC hose maker in the Milwaukee/Madison/northern edge of Illinois area?

I wonder if they could modify my original lines - only the Condenser ends need to be different.

Thanks for all the help I can handle!!!!!
Steve







Edited: Fri August 08, 2003 at 9:40 PM by jeepsteve92xj

TRB on Fri August 08, 2003 10:07 PM User is offlineView users profile

We get about $ 30.00 dollars a piece for something like that. We usually get about $ 5.00 bucks a fitting and $ 2.00 a foot for hose. Add about $ 10.00 bucks to crimp the ends and it's done.

We all want to make a buck some just seem to think that buck means 100 of them.

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jeepsteve92xj on Fri August 08, 2003 10:31 PM User is offlineView users profile

I wish there were more hours in a day so I could have called around alot more.
I only know one guy who repaired his AC systems, and that was with the help of a nephew who does AC work. - Thier conversion on GM and Ford rear wheel drive sedans did not include a vacuum only guages. He says all three cars are nice and chilly.

No one else bother to get AC work done because of the $$$.

Could it be possible for these guys to modify my old hoses?

For $400 I should have bought a couple kits and the tools to build the lines myself - still leaving the evac and fill to the pro.
(the shop I stopped at has a posting that they charge minimum $45 for diagnosis. Thats over half an hour already.

Id drive over the boarder if someone could point out a reputable shop within 150 miles of milwaukee!

Steve

TRB on Fri August 08, 2003 10:37 PM User is offlineView users profile

We use the original manifold sets all the time. Weld on a barb and use the correct length of hose and fitting for the other end. Cost is the same as I described in the previous post.

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jeepsteve92xj on Fri August 08, 2003 10:48 PM User is offlineView users profile

The hoses from the drier and expansion block will obviously still connect to these items. but the hard pipe on the other ends to the condenser need to be different since I am putting in a parallel flow condenser and the threaded nipples are in different locations than OEM. Along the side, versus inset at the very top and bottom.

I know the PF cond. nipples are #6 and #8, but what are my OEM pipes at the condenser end? (92 jeep cherokee)
I sure dont want to bung up the threads now when I'll be installing most everything tomorrow!


Steve

TRB on Fri August 08, 2003 10:53 PM User is offlineView users profile

Could not tell you that without looking at them myself. Most auto a/c fittings are pretty standard for the size. In some cases you will see a metric fitting but those also have the same thread type per fitting size.

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jeepsteve92xj on Fri August 08, 2003 11:28 PM User is offlineView users profile

Everything else on this Jeep has been SAE. My old Jeep was the metric SAE mix. The hoses are routed differently between the two vehicles.

If my hard pipes have enough freedom (not bent around 4 corners or something) with the mounting clamps removed, it may be possible to use these on the new condenser?

I think I could move the condeser left or right to avoide putting the First bend into the radiator or the radiator mounting frame.

Any other thoughts?

Thanks
Steve
This shouldn't be so difficult - or expensive!

PorschePhD on Thu August 14, 2003 1:27 AM User is offline

This up coming winter, I get to convert my Porsche 930 from R-12 to R134a. The car has a little over 41 feet of hose on it which I don't think is barrier type at the moment. If I were to go to this place you are talking about, their cash register would play a whole tune, not just go Cha-Ching. I strongly recomend after market places for parts. Dealers and repair shops will rape you on prices.

good luck
Lance

bohica2xo on Thu August 14, 2003 4:14 AM User is offline

You need a hose shop, not the MACS bozo's that just tried to put the blocks to you.

Look in the yellow pages for "hose" or "hydraulics" - most good hydraulic hose shops have the hose and fittings you need. They make hoses up for heavy equipment, and lots of equipment has A/C - so they are familiar with the job.

Shops like this are a driving force behind "death kits", swapmeet HC sales, system sealers, etc. 500~600 bucks for 2 hoses and some 134a??? Luckily, you are an informed consumer, and still want the job done right.

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Mitch on Thu August 14, 2003 7:32 AM User is offline

Barrier hose is nice, but not manatory for 134a. I only replace non-barrier hoses with barrier if the hose is bad and won't work with R12 either.

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