Engine Size: 455
I was at a car show and someone was selling "Enviro-Safe Refrigerant" and they said it would give cooler vent temps and also keep the head pressure down. They said on a 90 degree day with r12 the head pressure would normally be 225-240 and with "Enviro-safe Refrigerant" it would be about 180.
If using r134a the head pressure would be about 350 with "Enviro-Safe Refrigerant" it would be about 180.
I have not heard of this and I know there are other refrigerants out there to use but does anyone know if this is good or bad? They also said a 6oz can is equivalent to 16oz of r134a.
Enviro-Safe has been kicked around on these boards for the last 15 years, least we no longer have Enviro-Safe salesman on this board, like chatting with a bunch of idiots. Even tell you to add air to the system to get proper pressures, so you have air, butane, and propane all mixed together, now that sounds cool.
Last time I had my propane tank filled was something like a buck sixty a gallon. That's like paying 7 cents for a six ounce can, what are they charging now for that can, around 14 bucks? No wonder why they tend to bend a bit on performance, more money in their pockets.
Not really siding with the EPA on this issue, they are banning it for MVAC for safety reasons, that's the job of the DOT, if they really want to ban HC's for emission problems, can start with the oil companies and ban all HC products.
I have had HC in one of my cars for a few years. Works great. I also use R12, and R134a on my other cars. You see, Im eclectic, I like Jazz, but also Do wop, classical, Romantic era composers, dixieland, etc. LOL
Its also not anywhere near $14 a can. We surely cant blame someone from profiting on a product, eh? Look what DuPont has done by controlling the markets with the help of Chemical Mfrs Lobbyists in DC. Propane is not a patented product, and is sold COMPETITIVELY unlike refrigerants in the past.
I have not been able to find a search tab on this forum, maybe I just cant see it, but if you could search, you will find this discussed plenty, like Nick said. Also, you will find different perspectives, like mine and the respected members/contributors that help us all the time here.
HC had a bad name....but just read , study, learn. It helps if you have some scientific background.......
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Top left corner of the page Use the goggle search and make sure the auto a/c forum is checked. Bets search feature I have found.
HC's are close to $15.00 a can last time I checked. One does need to meet the seller at a flea market or fast food joint to buy it.
I think you are just biased. I use HC's nearly every day with no problems. So much better than the George Foreman Grill. I get a nice char on the burgers and they are still moist and juicy inside. See you in Vegas??
We are running our grille with R-134a, took awhile to find a tank adapter for it. Can hear that hissing sound when we turn it on, but the meat looks just a bit rare.
Maybe I should follow Enrivo-Safes' suggestion about adding air to their refrigerant to get it to work in a MVAC system and add like pure oxygen to my R-134a fired grille. Should work, have to try that.
I like grilling & smoking with wood, its a renewable resource.
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