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asdrummer on Mon February 22, 2010 10:25 PM User is offline

Year: 92
Make: honda
Model: civic
Engine Size: 2.3
Refrigerant Type: 134a
Country of Origin: United States

Ok let me tell you about my car... i have a 92 civic hatch with a 99 Honda accord engine. I am using the compressor from the 99 accord hooked to a 134a system from a 95 civic hatch... i try to evac the system and it leacks with in hours... is there any way to check it without spending the money on dye and cans of 134a.... is there any way to put compress air in the system and spray soap on the connection to see if the leak

HECAT on Tue February 23, 2010 5:37 AM User is offline

You should not use compressed air for a pressure/bubble test; use dry nitrogen or R134a. Check the o-rings where the hoses connect to the compressor. The last few similar vintage Hondas that I have seen would also not hold vacuum, and all had the o-ring on the discharge line fail due to compressor heat; changed that o-ring and they would hold vacuum. Coincidence maybe, but something fairly easy to check.

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JACK ADAMS on Tue February 23, 2010 10:26 AM User is offline

Be sure to check all hoses at the crimps to fittings. If you can twist the hose at the ends with out bending the fitting, that can also be a leak. Shaft seals are also a common problem for Hondas, so if you can not find a leak, look closer at the shaft seal.

Good luck!

iceman2555 on Tue February 23, 2010 10:32 AM User is offlineView users profile

Why risk possible contamination of a system with air..... or the cost and availability of inert gases for the DIY'er. Simply purchase one (1) can of 134a. Low cost...does not contaminate.
With a leak of this proportion, this leak should be easy to located. Not a fan of the 'soap' test. May not indicate some leaks, however, with a system that losses its charge in minutes, this process should work. Better, locate a bottle of the stuff kids use to make soap bubbles....this works very well.
First place suggested....the service ports. Major source of leaks. Connections would be second.

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TRB on Tue February 23, 2010 12:11 PM User is offlineView users profile

Big Blu works better that any soap and water solution. Also heard today the R134a has gone up in price by a fair amount. So while it may still be cost effective to use a can the price hike mentioned for the past few years seems to be on the way!

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iceman2555 on Wed February 24, 2010 12:22 AM User is offlineView users profile

Talked with several people at MACS that stated be ready for a drastic increase in 134a this year. No explanation...just that the stuff was 'going thru the roof'. Maybe it is an attempt to prepare us for 1234yr and the higher associated cost of this refrigerant or it could be something much more down to earth...excessive profits. Wonder if the Obamas will offer a 'bail out' for all the suffering and lost of profit from repair shops that can no longer afford to purchase this highly inflated cost of refrigerant. Perhaps a "Cash for Gas" program.
Perhaps this will 'encourage' all those shops that do not have the required equipment to move into modern times and no longer simply 'blow the stuff off'.
Missed you at the MACS downsized convention this year TRB. Couple more years and this will become an industry joke. Keeps getting smaller and smaller. And Hecat...did you notice that there were very few techs at this years session. It has become a convention for manufactures and, of course, all the 'off shore' vendors' seeking clients. Heck this year it took longer to complete set ups than the time we actually had 'show time'.

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HECAT on Wed February 24, 2010 6:00 AM User is offline

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Originally posted by: iceman2555
Missed you at the MACS downsized convention this year TRB. Couple more years and this will become an industry joke. Keeps getting smaller and smaller. And Hecat...did you notice that there were very few techs at this years session. It has become a convention for manufactures and, of course, all the 'off shore' vendors' seeking clients. Heck this year it took longer to complete set ups than the time we actually had 'show time'.

Not to derail this leak post... I missed TRB also. Yes, the number of displaying vendors and attendance was down a little, but I did not expect otherwise given the current economic climate. We have always had a dual strategy at the MACS show, and since I was the one working the "floor" and not so much in the booth; I do need it to be partly a "convention for manufacturers". My partners and I concluded that the lesser number of techs in attendance seemed to have weeded out many "tire kickers". I have never been that happy with the short show hours (or the "total" costs to do such a show), but I did come away from this show with some unexpected interest and opportunities, as it seems I always do. Now, can I turn those interests and opportunities into something to "pay the light bill" (looking for my ROI); we shall see. It was great to see you there!

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JACK ADAMS on Wed February 24, 2010 5:58 PM User is offline

Perhaps it is that the techs have no place to work as the economy has caused closure to some of their shops. But I’m sure the stimulus will help with that as well.

HECAT on Thu February 25, 2010 5:25 AM User is offline

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Perhaps it is that the techs have no place to work as the economy has caused closure to some of their shops. But I’m sure the stimulus will help with that as well.

I missed seeing you also Jack. I am sure it was not just the guys out of work, but the shop owners and techs that could not afford the time away, and the expenses to attend. You know, the one who's jobs have "saved" by the job creation stimulus money.

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TRB on Thu February 25, 2010 11:23 AM User is offlineView users profile

The people have been the only thing that has saved jobs in America. Our staff has had to take a few days off a month. We've cut back on expenses and my parents have not received rent in a long time. People across this Nation are doing similar things to save their and their co-workers jobs. Stimulus, that was a joke and I read in the WSJ it actually increased unemployment.

This increase in R134a is going to hurt our industry even more. Why the increase, it still in production and there is no replacement refrigerant needed.

Back to the OP, pulling the system into a vacuum and making sure it holds is a way to check for larger leaks. Air should never be induced in the system for leak checking if you plan on using proper techniques.

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HECAT on Thu February 25, 2010 12:10 PM User is offline

A job "creation" stimulus of federal dollars (i.e. we don't have), to fund government "shovel ready" infrastructure work (i.e. political pork projects) that in many cases we don't need (i.e. bridge to nowhere); is now claiming success by the number of jobs it has supposedly saved, not created. Then they spend more than most of us make in a year on the stupid signs, "Tax dollars at work" for one job site.

"Robin Hood" wants to take from the rich and give to the poor, but there is no "rich" to take from anymore. Spin, spin, spin; this is "hope & change"? Whooosh! The lever has been pulled, we are now just spinning in the water, and it cannot be stopped; its just a matter of time before we all go down the drain. Good luck to all, time to learn Chinese.

Oh yeah, back to the OP's leak, got to fix it; causes "Global Warming" don't ya know. Must be true, Al Gore said so. By the way, keep checking the Cracker Jack boxes for your Nobel Prize; cause that's where his buddy Obama found his also.

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Cussboy on Fri February 26, 2010 6:32 PM User is offline

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Originally posted by: TRB
The people have been the only thing that has saved jobs in America. Our staff has had to take a few days off a month. People across this Nation are doing similar things to save their and their co-workers jobs. Stimulus, that was a joke and I read in the WSJ it actually increased unemployment.

Our company is downsizing, cutting jobs, to be announcing next week which employees are cut. Cuts were announced at about 12% of the employees (including same for R&D, where I am). It's a real pisser because 2009 earnings were even better than projected, company is making money, but parent company in Europe wants financial concessions over $10 million. So wish me luck, have two kids in college....funny thing: our CEO had just attended a seminar here in Phoenix with other local CEOs, and the main topic was how to increase employment in Arizona. So he announced the layoffs two days later....

Guess how many millions the CEO makes, and he didn't offer to lower his salary to keep a bunch of workers employed...

Edited: Fri February 26, 2010 at 8:59 PM by Cussboy

HECAT on Fri February 26, 2010 8:50 PM User is offline

I do wish you all the luck I can man.

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TRB on Fri February 26, 2010 9:21 PM User is offlineView users profile

Absolutely we are praying for you and the rest of this country. I'm dealing with kidney issues and watched the entire side show yesterday. Not only do I feel depressed with my health issues I feel health-care is in the toilet also. I'm not taking a side in the health issue! I think it could be better all the way around if they just cut out the fraud. One of my biggest expenses minus payroll is heath care for the staff and myself.

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66stingray on Fri March 26, 2010 2:07 PM User is offline

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Oh yeah, back to the OP's leak, got to fix it; causes "Global Warming" don't ya know. Must be true, Al Gore said so. By the way, keep checking the Cracker Jack boxes for your Nobel Prize; cause that's where his buddy Obama found his also."
You must be sniffin to much of that solvent you sell, helcat. If something affects your bottom line ($), it must not be true.

HECAT on Sat March 27, 2010 8:53 AM User is offline

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You must be sniffin to much of that solvent you sell, helcat. If something affects your bottom line ($), it must not be true.

Thank you for your comment and misspelling my company name. My comments regarding the Enviro-scare, Stimu-payoff, and Nobel-joke are my opinion, as you are also entitled to yours.

The solvent we formulate and sell is a low VOC CARB compliant product, and therefore does not easily produce the hazardous affects on technicians, in such a manner as you describe. Because this product is often aerosolized in use; the formulation was based upon the conscious effort not to produce or offer a product that was a known "technician" killer. Environmental compliance was never a serious consideration during development, but obviously it has become a secondary marketing benefit.

I prefer to allow my conscience to guide me on planet stewardship, I don't require guidance from Enviro-weenies.

My business has a lot of facets that are tied closely to environmental and regulatory compliance. We don't necessarily have to always agree with the rules; but as professionals, we must comply. With all due respect, I would say that you are mistaken in your assessment, and clearly do not have a clue what affects my bottom line.



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66stingray on Sat March 27, 2010 4:59 PM User is offline

First let me apologize for misspelling your companies name. My opinion stays the same even after reading your response. We agree to disagree. We both won't be around to see if this weenee is right or wrong. They use to think the earth was flat also.

HECAT on Sun March 28, 2010 9:10 AM User is offline

IMHO,

Having different opinions and convictions, and agreeing to disagree, is truly what is great about our nation and society. However, the inability to compromise and find middle ground for the good of our nation and it's people's prosperity, is going to make us a poor third world country. It is the money and self serving corruption on both sides of the fence that restrict this compromise. There is no right or wrong, just a hard pull in opposite directions; I hope we do see this change in our lifetime.

When animal or plant life right to exist is placed in higher regard than the human population right to exist and to live, work, and play in the same environment; this becomes counter productive to human prosperity, as the work and jobs will just go overseas. The animals also consume from the environment, poop in the drinking water, and produce their own "carbon footprint"; as all carbon life forms do.

"The world is flat" was perpetuated by the political and scientific community of the times to keep the masses in "fear of the unknown" and therefore subservient to the "all knowing" authorities of the time. Today they say the polar ice caps are rapidly melting, now that seems to be in question. To manipulate the data (and scare the masses) to better support one's self serving agenda, is corruption.

My opinion may not be as different as you think; if it affects my bottom line, it IS true.

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