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Woohoo, got my cert.

maillemaker on Wed September 23, 2009 11:31 PM User is offline

I got my Section 609 Certification today! I'm special!


TRB on Thu September 24, 2009 10:51 AM User is offlineView users profile

We all special in our own little way. Especially our friend Karl in the UK.


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maillemaker on Thu September 24, 2009 11:57 PM User is offline

It was pretty easy actually. $20 bucks to take the online test, which is open-book, and you can refer to the online manual while you take the test. I got 24 out of 25.

The problem I think I got wrong (they don't tell you ) was "Is it legal to top off leaking air conditioning systems"

In the whole US
In the whole US except where prohibited by state or local law
not permitted

There was another choice but I can't remember it.

I said "In the whole US except where prohibited by state or local law". I'm guessing it is not permitted to top off LEAKING air conditioning systems. But the manual spoke about Jiffy Lube places and other shops not dedicated to AC work that are still required to meet the 609 certification and equipment requirements, even if they only "top off" AC systems.

I figured if there are shops that "top off" AC systems without checking them out it must be legal.

So, what do you think?

bohica2xo on Fri September 25, 2009 12:57 AM User is offline

I think you have a 609 cert, and probably already know more about the rules (and MVAC) than the average JizzyLube.


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NickD on Fri September 25, 2009 6:30 AM User is offline

Looked at is as an inconvenience after having the freedom to purchase and use CFC refrigerants for some odd 30 years based on an unproven theory by a couple of crackpot professors of UCLA that has a reputation for coming out with crackpot theories. Certainly, a celebration to get a certificate written by a 3rd party source wasn't in order. The certification was followed by drastic price increases in this refrigerant.

A further objection that in practically any other substance that was thought to be hazardous to the environment made the manufacturers that specified that substance liable to make corrections. In this event, the user was made liable, a complete contrast to common protocol. In a truly proven hazardous substance such as putting lead in gasoline, a twenty year phase of these very dangerous substance was implemented. With CFC's, the phaseout was instantaneous.

The lawmaker, the EPA wasn't even capable of writing a test expelling their desires to the handling of CFC's. Claiming HFC's is far safer to the environment, enforced the same handling rules as the supposingly hazardous ozone damaging CFC's. Yet another contradiction to the scientific method.

The CFC usage in automotive MVAC was extremely small compared to other uses of this product, total usage for refrigeration was 5% with half of that being used in automotive applications or about 2.5%, the remaining 97.5% excluding fixed refrigerant installations was used strictly for spray can propellants such as hair sprays that accounted for about 30% with the rest, the vast majority used by the government itself for cleaning and conducting ocean current experiments. Automotive applications were insignificant compared to these other uses. But since it was the only even insignificant user of CFC refrigerants, it became the target if the almighty EPA.

The least affected segment of the population are the government leaders, employees, and the wealthy with the government personnel being provided by taxpayer paid for R-134a vehicles. The most affected would be like a single mom struggling even to survive. It is not even safe for her to drive a vehicle with windows down with young children in her vehicle, but screw her safety and the safety of her children. I have grown a huge dislike for the idiots running this country I was forced to fight for.

In a moment of mercy, the EPA did permit to top off a MVAC system, but failed ever to define what is an acceptable leak, typical of every federal agency, they don't even care about state rules nor even have knowledge of them. They also held the manufacturers of these leaky systems immune to any correction putting the full responsibility for proper maintenance at the bottom of the chain, the technician. By the time most technicians even see a vehicle, practically all of the refrigerant has already leaked out. Protocol for designing minimum parametric leakage systems for the manufacturers of these systems has never been introduced. Seeing far more leakage problems in automobiles today than before the EPA got involved, a sign of pure corruption with our government.

I certainly did not buy a frame to hang my certificate on the wall, it's just a reminder as to how corrupt MY country has become. The bastards running this country as far as I am concerned are all traitors to it and to the Constitution of the United States of America.

maillemaker on Fri September 25, 2009 5:18 PM User is offline

I wasn't really looking for what everybody thought about the 609 certification, I was wondering what you thought about the test question I think I missed.

I'm pretty ambivalent about the whole CFC-good-or-bad debate. In the end, like most policy decisions, it probably had more to do with lining someone's pocket than anything else, but I don't care. I want to be able to buy R12 on Ebay and now I can legally do so. Plus I feel good about having sufficient knowledge about MVAC service to be able to at least pass the exam.


TRB on Fri September 25, 2009 7:02 PM User is offlineView users profile

Rather see you certified and using R12 than some flammable junk off Fleabay!


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NickD on Fri September 25, 2009 10:09 PM User is offline

We are permitted to top off any system in the USA, our neighbors to the north of us are forced into a retro. Seems like the further north you go, the stricter the regulations and not all countries have banned CFC's. But with the high cost of R-12 today, you don't want a leaker.

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