A guy I work with up here in Minneapolis, MN used to work on VW bugs in LA about 30 years ago. This morning he told me that he got flagged on Ebay when trying to sell his stockpile of R-12. He said he has about one hundred 8 or 12 oz cans and wants to sell them.
Any ideas how I could get some buyers?
Too many questions, not enough answers....
Edited: Thu June 26, 2008 at 8:36 PM by D.T.
People selling cans of R-12 on ebay all the time. [ahem, sheepish look], I did buy my 30 lb'er there about a year ago. The only thing is that you have to get documentation that the buyer has their section 609 certification - I had to email a copy of mine to the seller for his records.
If your friend was not requiring proof of certification, that may be reason he got flagged. Aside from that, no ideas.
how much is a 30 lb. can worth i know what it costs a napa in niagara falls ny . i have some i am trying to sell if anyone in the buffalo or niagara falls ny area if ther is any one interested let me know, i live in canada you would have to meet me a th boader queenston lewiston, or fort erie thank you jack31ca
One thing to consider which I doubt any Flee-bay seller is following. Refrigerant has to be shipped as a hazardous product. You have to get a certification to ship hazardous products or have someone with one ship such items. Refrigerant certification is required also.
R-12 can also be sold to an uncertified person if that person is only going to resell it and not use it. That's kind of a stretch as someone buying a few cans off of ebay almost certainly intends to use it.
There are refrigerant suppliers online that will sell a 30 lb R-12 for $675 to $750, including shipping in the USA.
Those places also sell 12 oz cans. If your friend's 12 oz cans are in like new saleable condition he could offer to sell the whole lot to such a place. They would likely not be interested in cans with oil, dye, sealer, etc. just plain R-12. The oil, etc. cans could be sold to a refrigerant recycler.
Have to double check this as I have a friend that sells refrigerant. He had to send his shipping staff to a hazardous class so they could ship product.
My self proclaimed rule of thumb for buying R-12 and still using it, was as long as it costs less than a tank full of gas. Ha, with the DeVille costing 77 bucks and the motorhome up to 460 bucks, that is leaving lots of room for paying more for a can of R-12. Still have three R-12 vehicles left, maybe I should dump them and buy a nice bicycle like Tim has.
Thought with Gore gone all this ozone depletion BS would be history, even NASA reversed they original claims stating the size of the ozone hole over the Antarctic during the sunless winter months was caused by wind patterns, and over 99% of the fluorocarbons are history. Youngest vehicle equipped with R-12 is now over the 14 year average life of a vehicle, so maybe the price of R-12 would come down. Pointed all this out to my congressman, he agreed, but says he is way to busy trying to find bucks for that occupation in Iraq. It is an occupation, right, and not a war.
My supply of R-12 is getting low, just like my supply of lead tin solder, don't know whether to worry about it or not, see that George Carlin just kicked the bucket and we are about the same age, maybe I should be thinking more about that. Carbon seems to be the major problem with global warming with nothing said about methane or R-134a. But there is another factor, been so cold this last winter and spring, only turned the AC on once in my vehicles to make sure they still worked, been using the heater instead, and it's already summer.
Indecision, not characteristic of me, must be getting old.
Small cans of R-12 or R-134a are "ORM-D" which makes them exempt from most hazmat rules at least in small quantities. Because of the certified design of the container and the small amount in each container, it's considered relatively inherently safe similar to hairspray or spray paint. I think the 30 lb cylinders are considered class 2.2 hazmat (Nonflammable Gas) though.
Just got off the phone with my buddy and speaking about 30lbs they have to follow a few requirements. Special sticker has to go on the box, HD box is required and they fill out some paper work for UPS. UPS must tie down these cylinders but yes they can ship ground along with another box (UPS Software) checked which adds $ 40.00 per cylinder. All his shipping staff had to come to Phoenix to be trained by UPS which supplied them with the certification.
That's the data I got from people that ship 30lbs cylinders daily.
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