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V5 Compressor Valve Color Code

retrofit on Fri May 09, 2008 7:51 PM User is offline

This chart was posted in another forum:



The person posting had purchased a new (replacement) V5 compressor and was wondering what the color of the valve indicated. The new compressor had an orange dot while the valve more commonly used (ACDelco 15-5452) valve has a brown dot.

I seem to recall that GM Tech mentioned once that the colors indicated different pressures used in the various GM systems. Does it make any difference?



GM Tech on Fri May 09, 2008 9:38 PM User is offline

The variable stroke compressor control valves are calibrated to destroke the compressor at the stated pressures-- this is to avoid evaporator freeze-up while maintaining maximum efficiency (cooling) The ratings are different because of the use on different systems- the destroke pressure on a Cavalier is different than that of a 4cylinder S-10...hence the different calibrated valves-- this is basically due to the pressure drop from the evaporator to the compressor (where the control valve is) which can be a function of the length of the suction hose to the compressor......so in short does it matter??? If in doubt- go with the higher set valve- you will always avoid freeze-up but will sacrifice so cooling ability--but will it be enough to notice??? that is up to you to decide....I used to fix freeze-up complaints (they usually came from humid areas) on S-10s by installing the next higher set valve-- worked every time.

Just remember- you can't blow air through ice!!!

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TRB on Fri May 09, 2008 10:30 PM User is offlineView users profile

Nice response, may need to move this to the tips section in a few days!

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Edited: Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:30 PM by TRB

retrofit on Sat May 10, 2008 1:12 AM User is offline

Thanks for the quick reply, GM Tech. If you want to look at the other discussion thread, it’s at the Fiero Forum. Lots of interest over there A/C maintenance and in conversion to R134a. Maybe some of them will be coming over here to look for advice. Thanks again!

retrofit on Wed July 09, 2008 1:43 AM User is offline

A follow-up question:

4-Seasons reman V5 compressors for the Fiero state: "Compressor Equipped with R12 Crontrol Valve. Alternate Control valve required for R134a." (They spell like they rebuild.)

The reman compressors at AMA don't mention that requirement. Nor does GM in their retrofit recommendations.

The R134a valve recommended by 4-Season is their p/n 38846 which is the same as GM 2724790 or ACDelco 15-5452. It has a brown color dot which indicates a set point of 43 psi (42 - 44 psi).

The R12 valve is GM 2724331, ACDelco 15-5310. It has a orange color dot indicating a set point of 45 psi (44 - 46 psi).

The tolerances of the two valves overlap! Is it worth another $80 to change it?

Edit: Found the answer to my question on another board These are quotes by a former Compressor Product Manager for Four Seasons:

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GM consolidated all 10 control valves, which ranged from 34-45 psi, to 1. If I recall the drawing right, they are all now at about 41 psi. If you have access to the GM parts system, you will see that the service compressors are listed as compatible with both refrigerants. Also, they just put 'Refrigerant Under Pressure' on the labels now, instead of specifying a type.
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Four Seasons tests and sets all their control valves to the middle of the tolerance. When they don't have good valves, they use new ones, which are set at the mid range. Don't buy a new control valve. They have 2 numbers; one for R12 and one for R134a - it's the same exact part.

Edited: Fri July 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM by retrofit

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